Wednesday, June 16, 2010

Zalaegerszeg : Western Transdanubia (Hungary)

Zalaegerszeg lies on the banks of the Zala River, close to the modern Slovenian and Austrian borders. The area was already inhabited in the Upper Paleolithic, according to archaeological findings. Its original first documented inhabitants were the Pannonii (Pannonians), a group of tribes akin to Illyrians. From the 4th century BC it was invaded by various Celtic tribes.

The first written mentions of the town are as Egerscug (1247) and Egerszeg (1293); the name means "alder-tree corner" and is probably a reference to the town's situation in the angle where two rivers meet.

  • Sample :
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  • Brief anthropological analysis :

- Type 1 : Intermediate complexion, leptomorphic, leptoprosopic yet probably brachycephalic, narrow eyes, long and narrow arched nose, high forehead, large jaw, pointy chin
~ Dinarid

A very common type in Eastern Europe abundantly found in the Balkans for instance. Puffier features can be found on some individuals (puffier noses, flushy lips, ...).

- Type 2 : Rather dark complexion (from dark to medium blonde hair), brachymorphic, large square-shaped head, little and distanced oblique eyes, low orbits, broad and straight nose, full lips, weak browridges, large jaw, receding chin
~ Alpinid/Gorid

Another common type in Eastern Europe. Less archetypal and more classical individuals (light complexion, puffy nose, leptomorphic, ...) are found. These types do find counterparts in Western Europe ("elongated Borreby ?").

  • Final morphotypes :


  1. Hungarians are one of the most uniquely mixed bunch in Europe in my limited experience.

    I'd say that your "Dinarid" group is more like "Nordic" in fact, though maybe not quite (Dinarized Nordic?).

    Your second "elongated borreby" is totally Nordic, a clone of Dr. House in fact.

    The sample, overall, has low affinity levels with SW Europe but they overlap pretty well with Germans and even maybe some Britons/Scandinavians, though also with Northern Balcanic peoples to a much smaller extent (and even some Italian vibe in many cases).

    My two cents, as always.

  2. What about the Turanic race? The tipical Hungarians are Turanics, but not all Hungarian Turanic.

    1. I don't see anything obviously "Turanic" in Hungarians. Turanic, as you may know refers classically AFAIK to the people of roughly 50-50 West Eurasian and East Asian ancestry such as most Central Asians. If there's something of that among Hungarians, it is so extremely diluted that it is invisible.

      Genetically Hungarians are quite typical for their geography. You may be able to find the occasional "Siberian" or "Mongol" lineage but they are most rare and these are also found among their neighbors. The only thing steppary about Hungarians, if anything is the language, much as happens with Turks.

      If anything Hungarians could be slightly more Westerner (genetically speaking) than their Slavic and Romanian neighbors, what, I know, is counterintuitive. I say because in maps like this one (hopefully accurate) we can see a wedge Eastward of the distribution of Western European lineage R1b precisely in Hungary.

      I also do wonder what happened to the lineages of the fierce Magyar warriors, once the terror of Europe, and other steppary peoples that preceded them (like the Avars, Huns or Scythians) but the real data suggests that their legacy is all but gone.

    2. Dear Maju!

      Are Turanic raced Hungarians the is in Hungarians (of the famuos Hungarian people István Csukás, Lajos Papp, Feró Nagy, Nóra Duró, Sándor Bárdosi, Gergely Agócs ect.). May be that the R1b lineage frequent in Hungarians that Romanians and Slovakians, but in Hungary are very rare the Nordid and Mediterran race.

    3. Do you even know what "Turanian" means in the racialist speech? "Turanians" would be for example Uzbeks, which are 50-50 West and East Eurasian. Hungarians are definitely 100% (or 99.99% if you wish) West Eurasian.

      As for "Nordic" and "Mediterranean", which are just more or less arbitrary subdivisions of the West Eurasian stock, quite homogeneous, a lot of Hungarians in this sample look Nordoid (i.e. close to Nordic), while others may look more Alpinoid, I guess (or Baltid maybe, never really got clear which is the difference). I don't see any obvious "Mediterranean" face but that's a catch-all term.

      But mostly I see:

      1. Western-like faces: A1, A3, A8, B1, B2, B3, B7, C3, C8, D5 and D8 most clearly.

      2. Balcanic/Italian (Dinarid?) faces: A2, A5, C5, D2, D4

      3. Nordo-Baltic faces: A7, B6, C1, C6, C7, D6, D7

      → A4: vaguely Alpinid, could be from anywhere
      → B4: gives me a Basque Cromagnid feeling (and I say Basque because there are Basque people, notably women, who look a lot like that)
      → B5: his long head would make him archetypally Nordic but he actually looks more Dinarid-Mediterranean
      → C2: again from anywhere, Russian or French alike
      → D1: high eyebrows and marked cheeks like some Baltics but otherwise Mediterranean looking, is found all around Europe, I believe, especially in kids
      → D3: has a "French" vibe but could be from anywhere (yet more likely to find in the West than in the East of Europe)

    4. As for the people you mention by name (local celebrities, I guess), only two have articles in the English Wikipedia and neither includes a photo. Post links to photos.


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